Kinda worried Peni Parker seems so far to be made by the same arrogance as Joss Whedon saying “I don’t need to read the stories” about Ultron.
Peni was inspired by comically serious with ridiculous premise or just plain dark anime from what I can tell, not happy fun anime That’s a big change that unitentionally comes across as Western arrogance thinking all Anime is the same. (which as a Godzilla fan I’ve seen a lot of from people who’ve only seen the cheesier movies.)
I’ll see how it plays out when I go see it with family.
(If in a Sequel they show her universe to be actually pretty depressing and she’s out of place I would like that twist.)
Another acceptable apology would be introducing more Peni Parkers along with Supaidaman for a celebration of anime and tokusatsu in general. And Anya Corazon could be there too with her guvyer like bodysuit.
my favorite part is, there’s two equally enjoyable and in character ways to look at this, he either
humored the suggestion sarcastically to express to spongebob how stupid it was
humored the suggestion seriously and hates himself for it
Kinda worried Peni Parker seems so far to be made by the same arrogance as Joss Whedon saying “I don’t need to read the stories” about Ultron.
Peni was inspired by comically serious with ridiculous premise or just plain dark anime from what I can tell, not happy fun anime That’s a big change that unitentionally comes across as Western arrogance thinking all Anime is the same. (which as a Godzilla fan I’ve seen a lot of from people who’ve only seen the cheesier movies.)
I’ll see how it plays out when I go see it with family.
(If in a Sequel they show her universe to be actually pretty depressing and she’s out of place I would like that twist.)
Another acceptable apology would be introducing more Peni Parkers along with Supaidaman for a celebration of anime and tokusatsu in general. And Anya Corazon could be there too with her guvyer like bodysuit.
You know that joke we keep making about how they should do animated remakes of live-action movies instead of live-action remakes of animated films?
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse is, like, the proof-of-concept for why this joke idea is brilliant and should not only be taken seriously but also be put into effect immediately. As a person who has enjoyed all but two of the live action Spider-Man movies – a person who even LOVES one of them – Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse makes them all look like piles of shit. Why the fuck have we been watching live action superheroes? They work so much better in animation. Everything about this movie beats the living shit out of every other superhero film ever made.
And don’t get me wrong, a lot of the live-action superhero movies are REALLY good movies. When I say this movie soars past them, that is HIGH praise on my part.
If whatever method ends up being used restore to Scorpia’s connection to the Black Garnet (or to a new caretaker if she’s uncooperative) makes it possible for anyone theoretically to become a princess, I would laugh with glee.
Catra on a planet, where everyone is technically a princess (yes even the guys and nonbinary). Its her own ironic hell.
You get princess powers! You get princess powers! Everyone (willing) gets princess powers!
Why did anyone expect Voltron to be brave or progressive?
For the first six season they seemed almost ashamed to be doing a Super Robot Show. (Like how many Hollywood people treated superheroes as shameful).
Possibility + Bragging = Hope
Voltron isn’t a bad show. Its got some great elements and wonderful moments/plotlines. There’s Allura as a black character as a great variant of the Princess archetype, Shiro a gay man of color, the diverse race cast, Pidge’s deviation when it comes to gender, Lotor and his struggle to free himself from his abusive parents, etc.. The pieces are all there for Voltron to be a game changer of kids cartoons.
And the crew knew this, they bragged about this. The marketing around Adam is the prime example. The intentional hyping got people’s hopes up. The good bits of the show and the continued possibility that it could turn progressive kept them up.
Until season 7 and 8 but that’s a whole another fish.
I never followed the crews announcment and the press releases so I was pretty in the dark about all this.
And Pidge was a mess coding and plot wise when it comes to gender. Season 1 she came off as a trans girl who passed as male in the garrison (public showers people, the writers never aparrently considered that), rumors the creators talks about her in private as if she’s nonbinary, and then they just came out and said she’s cis and not gender-conforming.
But the fact she came off initially as hiding feminity rather than intentionally wanting to be a tomboy makes it all weird.
Not to mention they claimed Earth is progressive in the future, making any of her deception weird. Are tomboys not accepted? Are trans people not accepted? Prejudice is required for either narrative to make sense.
where does going undercover end and the personal identity issues begin?
People mistook a disguise to infiltrate a base as her actual identity and assumed she was trans or nonbinary in some way.
In other words, she didn’t just fool the military, she fooled the audience.
But how could she when military showers are public? That’s where it all falls apart.
And why? There were female trainees at the base. Changing her name should have been enough. A change in presented gender brings logistic issues.
A Mulan style plot in a futuristic setting requires more of an explanation than what we were given.
And why not revert to the Katie persona after confessing then?
Personally? I think the creative team enjoyed the “pidge” persona way too much to try and bring in the “katie” persona. Or even take a minute to tackle the gender confusion/gender fluidity that Pidge introduce. Like much of Voltron, the idea is introduced then dropped.
If you want an in-universe explanation, I’d would say that Pidge’s “katie” persona was Pidge over compensating for her lack of traditional femininity. Once she was in space and around people that accepted her tom-boy look, she grew comfortable in it and decided not to go back to the “katie” look.
But that’s not shown at all in canon so who knows.
I just remind myself of one of the most common oxymorons in English.
“Military Intelligence.”
Yeah, I’ve used that to explain away Keith’s hybrid nature not being picked up, but unfortunate here it doesn’t work because the narrative doesn’t explain why Katie made the choice to present as male when there are already female trainees on base.
Well, as a girl she was barred from entry. Another layer of disguise? Or people assumed and she went with it.
The more layers to a disguise the more likely it is to fail . However Pidge is 14 so I can buy her being an idiot there
The MST3K mantra just isn’t helping for once, and I think its because the writers were so confident they were clear in their intentions, but they weren’t. They neither showed enough, nor did they tell enough.
I think its narrative conventions clashing. The type of future they show is one that calls to mind DNA scanners and full body scans, and that would wreck a Mulan type disguise.
And the idea Pidge pretending to be a non-op trans-man after being caught as a result just feels in poor taste,
I’ve seen to many giant robot shows to have this break my suspension of disbelief.
I saw it as, well, what Pratchet’s “Monstrous Regiment” was about: a girl donning a male guise to enter the military to find her brother. Technology be damned, that is the story they wanted to tell.
And it was a fine story. Nothing special, just fine. But without that SoD, nothing holds up, so trying to preice out the logic of it won’t do any good.
There isn’t any real world logic, just emotional logic.
We’re going to have to just agree to disagree here. To me some stories just can’t be easily transplanted into other types of settings.
*Eyes Lucas about Padme’s half-assed reason for death.*
On which part? On how Pidge was handled, because that is totally cool.
Not so much on the narrative vs diegetic thing. That is something that should be parced out.
Unless you don’t want to right now, that’s cool too.
I can’t even recognize one of the terms you’re using, so I’m gonn have to call a raincheck because I am overwhelmed by my online class, various computer inconveniences
Also I should have said “some other” not “any other” types of settings.
Why did anyone expect Voltron to be brave or progressive?
For the first six season they seemed almost ashamed to be doing a Super Robot Show. (Like how many Hollywood people treated superheroes as shameful).
Possibility + Bragging = Hope
Voltron isn’t a bad show. Its got some great elements and wonderful moments/plotlines. There’s Allura as a black character as a great variant of the Princess archetype, Shiro a gay man of color, the diverse race cast, Pidge’s deviation when it comes to gender, Lotor and his struggle to free himself from his abusive parents, etc.. The pieces are all there for Voltron to be a game changer of kids cartoons.
And the crew knew this, they bragged about this. The marketing around Adam is the prime example. The intentional hyping got people’s hopes up. The good bits of the show and the continued possibility that it could turn progressive kept them up.
Until season 7 and 8 but that’s a whole another fish.
I never followed the crews announcment and the press releases so I was pretty in the dark about all this.
And Pidge was a mess coding and plot wise when it comes to gender. Season 1 she came off as a trans girl who passed as male in the garrison (public showers people, the writers never aparrently considered that), rumors the creators talks about her in private as if she’s nonbinary, and then they just came out and said she’s cis and not gender-conforming.
But the fact she came off initially as hiding feminity rather than intentionally wanting to be a tomboy makes it all weird.
Not to mention they claimed Earth is progressive in the future, making any of her deception weird. Are tomboys not accepted? Are trans people not accepted? Prejudice is required for either narrative to make sense.
where does going undercover end and the personal identity issues begin?
People mistook a disguise to infiltrate a base as her actual identity and assumed she was trans or nonbinary in some way.
In other words, she didn’t just fool the military, she fooled the audience.
But how could she when military showers are public? That’s where it all falls apart.
And why? There were female trainees at the base. Changing her name should have been enough. A change in presented gender brings logistic issues.
A Mulan style plot in a futuristic setting requires more of an explanation than what we were given.
And why not revert to the Katie persona after confessing then?
Personally? I think the creative team enjoyed the “pidge” persona way too much to try and bring in the “katie” persona. Or even take a minute to tackle the gender confusion/gender fluidity that Pidge introduce. Like much of Voltron, the idea is introduced then dropped.
If you want an in-universe explanation, I’d would say that Pidge’s “katie” persona was Pidge over compensating for her lack of traditional femininity. Once she was in space and around people that accepted her tom-boy look, she grew comfortable in it and decided not to go back to the “katie” look.
But that’s not shown at all in canon so who knows.
I just remind myself of one of the most common oxymorons in English.
“Military Intelligence.”
Yeah, I’ve used that to explain away Keith’s hybrid nature not being picked up, but unfortunate here it doesn’t work because the narrative doesn’t explain why Katie made the choice to present as male when there are already female trainees on base.
Well, as a girl she was barred from entry. Another layer of disguise? Or people assumed and she went with it.
The more layers to a disguise the more likely it is to fail . However Pidge is 14 so I can buy her being an idiot there
The MST3K mantra just isn’t helping for once, and I think its because the writers were so confident they were clear in their intentions, but they weren’t. They neither showed enough, nor did they tell enough.
I think its narrative conventions clashing. The type of future they show is one that calls to mind DNA scanners and full body scans, and that would wreck a Mulan type disguise.
And the idea Pidge pretending to be a non-op trans-man after being caught as a result just feels in poor taste,
I’ve seen to many giant robot shows to have this break my suspension of disbelief.
I saw it as, well, what Pratchet’s “Monstrous Regiment” was about: a girl donning a male guise to enter the military to find her brother. Technology be damned, that is the story they wanted to tell.
And it was a fine story. Nothing special, just fine. But without that SoD, nothing holds up, so trying to preice out the logic of it won’t do any good.
There isn’t any real world logic, just emotional logic.
We’re going to have to just agree to disagree here. To me some stories just can’t be easily transplanted into other types of settings.
*Eyes Lucas about Padme’s half-assed reason for death.*
I just realized Dr. Eggman and Bill Cipher have basically the same villainous goal: making the universe more fun, whether other people like it or not.
I’m not sure what to do about this realization.
We all know Bill would doublecross Eggman because of the way he views humans. If anything Bill would use him like Ford. Get Eggman to trust him. Stroke his ego, but then he would ultimately take over Eggman and use him as a puppet to take over the planet. Use his tech against him along with his own powers. Eggman realizing his fate would HAVE to team up with Sonic or basically die by Bills hands.
This is how Eggman would ultimately end up. Bill doesn’t exactly see human like entities as equals. They are below him and easy to manipulate. Eggman would end up just like Ford. Paranoid, tortured and with PTSD most likely.
You are all underestimating Eggman and thinking of the dark years where SEGA was ashamed of him and made darker villains to show him up. He’s past that point now.
Its more likely he’d accidentally screw both himself and Bill over while trying to betray Bill.
The Nexus Crossover episode literally told us that OK KO, Steven Universe, Ben 10, and Teen Titans Go SAVED Cartoon Network. Y’all can’t shit on these shows no more.
Monsters and Stuff 